In case there is still anybody out there who would like to backup their SU blog, here's a link - http://stumbleupon.abandonedgarden.com/scripts.htm#backup You have to be able to get into Classic to use it though. Scroll down to where it says Back up your blog, and follow instructions (all of them because the first part is confusing.)

Matt: kiwiwiggy joined overrun last night but could not use his usual handle of wiggy because what SU often does when a member leaves and deletes his own account is that someone takes the ID and sets up another account and posts a couple of entries the day after the account is deleted and nothing more. The same happened to me as upintheair. It has happened to many. This must be high up in SU as it has been known for former members to reclaim their account under their old handle. ( So much for 6 million+ genuine members ) The problem was had he used his normal handle of wiggy the RSS feed to his blog ex SU wouldn't have been his own. Is there any way around this or have I got it wrong? Can he change his ID to wiggy from kiwiwiggy without a RSS feed coming in from SU? He won't do anything to his blog until he knows.

The next thing is that two people using two seperate accounts on the same computer only want to use one set of buttons on the toolbar. As only one person on one account will be signed in at any one time is that workable?

Finally, once items drop off the end of my blog and I forget what I have done, when I go to reblog the same item will the previous review come up?

Hi to all familiar faces from SU.

re: Recycled SU Accounts. If you want to use the name of an old but discarded SU account, just go into OverRun's Setup page and check the Hide SU Blog checkbox. You'll no longer get a feed from the SU account :)

re: Buttons + Multiple Users. Hmm... the way the buttons work, you'd need two sets of buttons. Does anyone know if there's a way to easily swap Bookmarks Bars or browser profiles? :-/

re: Re-blogging forgotten items. That's a great idea, I just ran into it myself :D I'll look into what can easily be done...

We don't run seperate browser profiles and never will................ we have many similar interests and our site database using Scrapbook is massive - just too much work to create another profile.

Currently with two toolbars for other blogging sites we just sign out and the other signs in. However,I can create another bookmark toolbar just for him - messy but an answer.

OK re kiwiwiggy but how does he delete that account because he wants to be known as wiggy or canan you change his ID from kiwiwiggy to wiggy to save hassles?

re: muti-users, since the bookmark links are unique to each user, you can create two folders on the toolbar, one for each of you, and drop your separate links in there. I did it just to save space.

I'd also be interested to know if it is possible to change an OR account nick. I had the same problem as wiggy - as soon as my past account was deleted by SU another one was set up using the same nick. I didn't use that nick in OR at the beginning because the Hide SU Blog checkbox didn't exist then. Now my OR page has a totally different set of posts to my LA page.

Re. the famous, fabled 6 million users - I can think of at least 5 mutliple LA accounts without even trying. 6 million accounts doesn't mean 6 million users.

PS: Moron Question Time again - Blogging a page/site indicates that one likes the material, no? If one does not like something, and does not wish to Stagger similar material, does the simple fact of not blogging anything on the topic suffice?

Will the implementation of the Collections feature resolve this, in that by stipulating certain Collections, one will only Stagger relevant material?

*waves wildly at wiggy*.

I've just followed kundrol's link and instructions on backing up my SU blog (which is still running on borrowed time in Cassic.) Now I'm wondering, where has that back-up gone? or rather how his to be accessed if I want to? And kundrol, thanks very much for that link!

Thanks for the replies with respect to wiggy - still like to know if his handle can be changed from kiwiwiggy to wiggy.

I think it is absolutely fraudulent of SU to open accounts for departed members that just sit there. All such accounts I know of emanate in Canada - interesting in itself. Ebay can't even flog off SU for $50 million , a $25 million loss, and I am beginning to understand why.

I am happy re Matt's comments on spam and I hope we are not plagued with the problems of SU's rating system which has caused so much distress and personal embarassment.

I will advise all my active friends in SU of Overrun and may it be a success.

Re. last post from backintheair .... wiggy is showing up as wiggy. I can't see any kiwiwiggy. I've looked, believe me. So I take it that his OR nick has been changed.

Tell him to check his Queue. He won't see my message unless he adds me. If he doesn't, I'm coming over to rip off his 62 year old balls.

I'd add one of those smiley things here if I know how to.

OK marielaem - wiggy will have the PC all to himself from Wednesday night NZDST on and he's yours for the taking until I return from my work overseas. Please leave his balls intact - we can send food for your cats!

He'll be all atizz knowing he is himself re ID but will probably Stagger wearing a suit of armour following certain possibilities from next to England......... :)

OK toots, I' ll hand him back in good shape, then.

As long as the cats are fed..... and he can borrow a suit of armour from BrightKnight.

Great news re Wiggy, it will be a pleasure to see him here.

Hi starwalker - You access the backup by saving it to your hard drive. I have Windows. so saved mine in the websites section of My Documents. You can save it to wherever you want though. They tell you how to save the files at the end of the backup instructions. Good luck. This is a great way to save your favorite SU posts and have them handy if you want to repost something onto OR. I don't know if it works for backing up other blogs, though. Probably not.

By the way, I love that the friends section is actually alphabetized. I never used to be able to find my friends on SU. Now it's quick and easy. Thank you Matt!

hi all, i have a request :) Andrew from Amazon's AWS division (the server guys) is helping me track down those occasional delays we've been experiencing with page-loading. Can some of you let me know the exact time (hours minutes seconds, as best you can) when you run into a delay? This might help a lot. Thanks :)

re: Changing Account Names (nicknames). Yes, we can change an account's Username if needed :)

re: Rating System. Since OverRun doesn't rate members, any "ad hominem" type reviews will be limited to the author's own blog, preventing the kind of public attacks seen on SU :D

re: Blogging a Site = Approve? Here's the deal... Any site you think is noteworthy, Blog it. Unlike SU, blogging a site doesn't rate it or change how it's circulated to anyone else. This prevents spam. Also, because there's no rating system, there's no thumbs-down. Un/Subscribing to specific topics and Collections will definitely be handled by the Collections feature :)

reminder: Any messages from people you haven't Added as Friend end up down in the Contacts area of your Friends page. This keeps the Queue clean, but you have to keep an eye out for their messages ;)

Preventing public attacks is a very good idea. I think this SU feature is probably the number one cause of all the hostility and mud slinging that goes on over there. Your system sure works for me! And I do now see how it prevents spam. Good work Matt!

One thing about the messaging system - A message came for me from 'a contact', who I subsequently subscribed to, but in order for me to reply to the message, I had to go to her site to do it because there was no 'reply' thingy. Not a big thing really, but I just wondered if there was a reason for that.

Matt, and everyone, possibly I've misunderstood something, but wat bothers me about the messaging limitations is that if we all just stuck to talking with our current friends, no-one would ever get to know anyone new. Apart from being very boring, doesn't that pretty well defeat the object of the exercise? I mean, getting to know new people and finding among them some very good friends is surely one of the great gifts of the internet and a site like this? It's certainly true for me of SU at its best, even though I know it has fallen way short of the ideal.

Have I misunderstood something, Matt? Or is there another way round the problem of unwanted messages? What do other people think?

re: No Reply thingy in a Contact Message. I was wondering whether to add a Reply link there or not... if it's an unwanted message, lack of a Reply link may help cooler heads prevail ;)

re: Messaging people other than Friends. Feel free to message anyone in the system :) Whether they choose to reply is another matter...

Starwalker . ...... with all due respect - anyone who is looking for "friends" online should maybe try another kind of site. There must be a ton of touchy-feely sites out there. I think that OR is about learning new stuff, not about going ga-ga over people I'll never meet.

<i>"Apart from being very boring, doesn't that pretty well defeat the object of the exercise?"</i> Bleugh. "The object of the exercise" is obviously all things to all people.

There are friends and friends, marielaem. You have misunderstood me. I merely view with surprise the reluctance evident in a few messages here to countenance the briefest interaction with anyone not encountered before...anyone, in fact, not already on a friends list. Yet those on such a "friends list" were surely unknown in the first place! So, logically, to get onto your friends list people weren't initially viewed as warranting "bleugh" but anyone now might be thus summarily dismissed?

Curious. Mildly entertaining, but curious.

re: New Friends.
By all means stop by the front page now and again to see who's new, and who's active at the same times you are. You never know what interesting people you'll meet there :D

A side note: feel free to remove people from your Friends list if you lose interest in their blogs. You'll still receive any messages they send, but in the Contacts section of your Friends page. :) Also, there's no limit on the number of Friends.

re: "Friends" vs. Friends
OverRun's "Friends" concept is pretty loose here, folks; no need to over-think it :D
It's really just an expedient way of telling the system whose blogs you're interested in, and where to route your messages ;)

Matt, what happens to our earlier posts in our blog? Is there a "next" page? Somewhere I think you mentioned this but I can't find it. I don't want to lose my older posts. Yes, I do know about setting my preferences and have done so, but pages would probably be better.

**The new message board is experiencing some lag-time at the moment.
Sorry for the interruption, but thought I should mention it.

Starwalker: I take on board what you are saying, but I still think that online "communities" are all things to all people, as are online "friends".

Different people seek different things from posting online.

My friends are people I look at, on a day to day basis.

Matt: I think that "friends" is a misnomer. I always have, and I still do. The word has a connotation that is not realistic in an online context, especially in this kind of environment, where swapping pages/sites is key. As you say above, the "Friends" concept is pretty loose. Good. How about "Addees" instead, then? i.e., pages that people add because they are interested in what is blogged therein.

While "snide" is in my DNA, I am not being "snide" here. Let's take good ole goddess xtine66 as an example. I have been swapping sites and messages with the Goddess since 2005, but have never met her. I wouldn't recognise her if she knocked me down in the street. I respect her, as per the stuff that she posts and the messages that she sends.. End of.

If I wanted touchy-feely, I'd be on MySpace or FaceBook, or even LA, the way that it is going.

Yeah, this subject is something we wrangled over at LA. Friends, foes, contacts, subscribers. I'm with marielaem on this one. Leaving LA was good for me because I was looking for a format that would just let me have contact with people I called "friends", and those I called "acquaintances" ... a person whom one knows but who is not a particularly close friend.
@Matt: Messaging people other than Friends. Feel free to message anyone in the system :) Whether they choose to reply is another matter...
The whole concept works for me.

I'm not wrangling here. Queen of Tarts, but as you are with me on this one, would you not mind mooting an alternative to "Friends"? Your "Contacts" sounds good.

*Cackle* Matt's messaging concept works for me, too, but I'd love a cyber boxing glove. BOOM.

Shoot, I don't care what it's called. :P
I just don't want an instant replay of that other place.

"Friends" reminds us to be friendly :D

Friends: maybe those with whom one is on good terms? Those whose contribution to our lives is welcome though not necessarily sought? Those with whom interaction is congenial, who maybe make us smile? And, crucially, those to whom we wish well?

That works for me and it's inclusive. Better to see the world as full of friends unless individuals prove otherwise.

Better a world of good will to all rather than a them and us, don't want them in my life, if they contact me I won't answer world.

Does that raise hackles? Not what people meant? Well, that IS what some of the above sounded like, and that's the view that some people are receiving of OverRun when people not enamoured of the changes on Stumbleupon respond to an invitation to look in here and check out the wiki. If OverRun displays a lot of antagonism and resentment towards SU then it is OverRun that will suffer. It deserves to become a lot better than just being a prickly huddle of the displeased.

As for choosing to see such an approach as "going ga-ga over people I'll never meet" (see above)...well...frankly...let the reader be the judge.

Different people get different things out of their OL interaction - that is their own affair. I don't think that OR should be seen as a huddle of people who are displeased with LA: That is a negative point of view. OR should be as different from LA as possible. It would not have been created if there were not a vacuum to fill.

Matt, two practical matters, please:

1. I think my question last night got overlooked. What happens to our earlier posts in our blog? Is there a "next" page? Somewhere I think you mentioned this but I can't find it. I don't want to lose my older posts. Yes, I do know about setting my preferences and have done so, but pages would probably be better.

2. Thanks very much for letting us see the message to which we're replying. However, would there be any chance of retaining the whole thread somewhere? it gets confusing with one-liners when one has forgotten what was written in the first place, and for longer, in-depth, correspondence, losing chunks of carefully worded messages is a pity. Is a solution possible.

Thanks as ever for all your work!

I do not feel that being critical of SU is a bad thing - what is trying to be achieved is that the mistakes and direction of SU are not repeated here. This is why this site exists. There is also plenty on SU that is critical of other such sites plus, in many cases, each other. All is fair in love and war and I have had samplings of both!

I do hope Matt that I can delete Queue items and messages once I have dealt with them. I admit to not having read the Q&A yet but I had enough "fun" just trying to get here. Which brings me to the point that I hope this wiki message board will paginate - it's already half a mile long.

War?????

I was really hoping that OR would be a 'friendly' place, and I believe that is Matt's intention. I also agree with Starwalker that too much ragging on about SU creates a prickly environment. I've been working pretty hard trying to get some of my good friends on SU to come on over here - bright , funny and intelligent people who would bring lots of interesting, high quality content to the Stagger pool. But if they get prickly vibes when they come over here, they'll probably figure it's not worth the trouble.
There's no doubt SU has big problems, which is what brought most of us over here, but I see no reason why we can't have an amicable parting of the ways.

And I second the point about paginating this board, or maybe just dumping a whole lot of it that's not really relevant to anything informational.

hi everyone :) this is my last post here on the wiki... i'm moving my discussions over to the new forums at http://overrun.forumotion.com/
-matt

Thanks for everything here, Matt :)